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		<title>By: al</title>
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		<dc:creator>al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. However, there&#039;s no real consensus on what &#039;long copy&#039; really is. As I said above I advise my clients &#039;no more than 300 words per web page (except your blog)&#039; but on a 6 page site, that&#039;s potentially 1800 words. That&#039;s long copy. And the London Long Copy challenge mentioned in the blog had a word count of 50-200 words. Which is long for a poster for the London Underground, microscopic for a website. Where do you draw the line?

I would say most websites need at least 600 words of explanation -- 300 on what the product does, another 300 on why you should have it. The &#039;about us&#039; etc isn&#039;t so important. But usually you&#039;re selling a product people are unfamiliar with -- you&#039;ve got to explain what it does.

I was quite amused when I saw that episode of Mad Men where Don Draper confessed to &#039;never having wrote anything longer than 250 words in his life&#039;. Obviously, you didn&#039;t start out writing sales brochures, Don. But he&#039;s got a point. Anything longer than 250 words, whether it&#039;s on a page or spread out over six, requires considerable time from the reader. But can everything be sold in 250 words or less? Probably not. 

Thanks for reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. However, there&#8217;s no real consensus on what &#8216;long copy&#8217; really is. As I said above I advise my clients &#8216;no more than 300 words per web page (except your blog)&#8217; but on a 6 page site, that&#8217;s potentially 1800 words. That&#8217;s long copy. And the London Long Copy challenge mentioned in the blog had a word count of 50-200 words. Which is long for a poster for the London Underground, microscopic for a website. Where do you draw the line?</p>
<p>I would say most websites need at least 600 words of explanation &#8212; 300 on what the product does, another 300 on why you should have it. The &#8216;about us&#8217; etc isn&#8217;t so important. But usually you&#8217;re selling a product people are unfamiliar with &#8212; you&#8217;ve got to explain what it does.</p>
<p>I was quite amused when I saw that episode of Mad Men where Don Draper confessed to &#8216;never having wrote anything longer than 250 words in his life&#8217;. Obviously, you didn&#8217;t start out writing sales brochures, Don. But he&#8217;s got a point. Anything longer than 250 words, whether it&#8217;s on a page or spread out over six, requires considerable time from the reader. But can everything be sold in 250 words or less? Probably not. </p>
<p>Thanks for reading!</p>
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		<title>By: Karri Flatla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karri Flatla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 04:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Design absolutely matters. Agreed.

But (and I know I&#039;m going to take heat for this), how we pitch offers to folks online needs to change beyond the design. People hate hype and they seem to be sensitizing -- not desensitizing -- to it. 

Whatever &quot;template&quot; was used in direct mail marketing (and surely still is), comes off as cocky and disrespectful when translated for the web. 

Too much of the &quot;long copy&quot; I read today doesn&#039;t respect the sensibilities of the reader. I&#039;ve had entrepreneurs tell me they&#039;ve spent THOUSANDS of dollars on copy they  cannot bring themselves to publish because their voice and their message feels cheapened by old-school copywriting tactics.

Moreover, there are lots of sales pages that --while longer than a tweet-- are definitely shorter than the scroll-fests we&#039;ve become accustomed to ... and they convert like hell.

Today&#039;s entrepreneur wants real relationships with buyers. Design can support this. But so can copy written with both a lighter touch and deeper respect for the reader.

Karri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Design absolutely matters. Agreed.</p>
<p>But (and I know I&#8217;m going to take heat for this), how we pitch offers to folks online needs to change beyond the design. People hate hype and they seem to be sensitizing &#8212; not desensitizing &#8212; to it. </p>
<p>Whatever &#8220;template&#8221; was used in direct mail marketing (and surely still is), comes off as cocky and disrespectful when translated for the web. </p>
<p>Too much of the &#8220;long copy&#8221; I read today doesn&#8217;t respect the sensibilities of the reader. I&#8217;ve had entrepreneurs tell me they&#8217;ve spent THOUSANDS of dollars on copy they  cannot bring themselves to publish because their voice and their message feels cheapened by old-school copywriting tactics.</p>
<p>Moreover, there are lots of sales pages that &#8211;while longer than a tweet&#8211; are definitely shorter than the scroll-fests we&#8217;ve become accustomed to &#8230; and they convert like hell.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s entrepreneur wants real relationships with buyers. Design can support this. But so can copy written with both a lighter touch and deeper respect for the reader.</p>
<p>Karri</p>
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		<title>By: al</title>
		<link>http://allday.cc/blog/does-long-copy-work/comment-page-1/#comment-549</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a lot of folks online — buyers AND sellers — feel fed up with the scrolling sales letters that make you hunt for the price or squint through a bunch of yellow highlighter and bad typography.&quot;

I agree. But that&#039;s a design issue, rather than a copy issue! Important information like price / calls to action shouldn&#039;t be placed in the main body of the text!

I suppose long copy is very much linked to the Ogilvy school of advertising (good post about that &lt;a href=&quot;http://craigmcnamara.blogspot.com/2009/02/ogilvy-vs-bernbach-or-are-they-really.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) about setting out a reasoned argument, rather than an immediate appeal.

The web&#039;s a funny place -- I advise my customers no more than 300 words per page on main sales pages because people have such short attention spans. But cumulatively (ie over a 6 page site), you&#039;re looking at a long copy situation on most every website, ie &lt;i&gt;each website is a structured argument that takes place over a number of pages.&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps it&#039;s safest to say long copy is best when it&#039;s broken up into digestible parts, either by headers (as this blog entry was), over a number of pages, or just by placing the important information outside the main body of the text.

But long copy&#039;s definitely not dead yet!

Thanks for reading :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a lot of folks online — buyers AND sellers — feel fed up with the scrolling sales letters that make you hunt for the price or squint through a bunch of yellow highlighter and bad typography.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. But that&#8217;s a design issue, rather than a copy issue! Important information like price / calls to action shouldn&#8217;t be placed in the main body of the text!</p>
<p>I suppose long copy is very much linked to the Ogilvy school of advertising (good post about that <a href="http://craigmcnamara.blogspot.com/2009/02/ogilvy-vs-bernbach-or-are-they-really.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>) about setting out a reasoned argument, rather than an immediate appeal.</p>
<p>The web&#8217;s a funny place &#8212; I advise my customers no more than 300 words per page on main sales pages because people have such short attention spans. But cumulatively (ie over a 6 page site), you&#8217;re looking at a long copy situation on most every website, ie <i>each website is a structured argument that takes place over a number of pages.</i></p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s safest to say long copy is best when it&#8217;s broken up into digestible parts, either by headers (as this blog entry was), over a number of pages, or just by placing the important information outside the main body of the text.</p>
<p>But long copy&#8217;s definitely not dead yet!</p>
<p>Thanks for reading <img src='http://allday.cc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Karri Flatla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karri Flatla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 04:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that you shouldn&#039;t use more words than what is absolutely required to get your point across.

But the onus is on us, the copywriters, to innovate more efficient - and maybe more enjoyable - ways to get our point across. 140 characters or a couple headlines certainly aren&#039;t enough (on their own). 

However, just because something &quot;works,&quot; doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s the ONLY thing that will work ... and work well.

We&#039;re seeing more and more web copy now that breaks the rules and converts very well. At least in the online space that I&#039;m familiar with and work in (I realize you may have been speaking more to print in your blog post.)

And I say this as a &quot;long copy copywriter&quot; too. Oh how I love a juicy narrative! But a lot of folks online -- buyers AND sellers -- feel fed up with the scrolling sales letters that make you hunt for the price or squint through a bunch of yellow highlighter and bad typography.

The copy zeitgeist is ripe for change :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that you shouldn&#8217;t use more words than what is absolutely required to get your point across.</p>
<p>But the onus is on us, the copywriters, to innovate more efficient &#8211; and maybe more enjoyable &#8211; ways to get our point across. 140 characters or a couple headlines certainly aren&#8217;t enough (on their own). </p>
<p>However, just because something &#8220;works,&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s the ONLY thing that will work &#8230; and work well.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re seeing more and more web copy now that breaks the rules and converts very well. At least in the online space that I&#8217;m familiar with and work in (I realize you may have been speaking more to print in your blog post.)</p>
<p>And I say this as a &#8220;long copy copywriter&#8221; too. Oh how I love a juicy narrative! But a lot of folks online &#8212; buyers AND sellers &#8212; feel fed up with the scrolling sales letters that make you hunt for the price or squint through a bunch of yellow highlighter and bad typography.</p>
<p>The copy zeitgeist is ripe for change <img src='http://allday.cc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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